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Post by walesman on Feb 12, 2009 22:58:21 GMT
could anyone throw some light on this subject for me please....I know the basics of the procedure but would be grateful for knowledge from experienced crimpers....do other breeders dub cockerels? and if so...does it make a difference to the birds afterwards?...I didnt think I would consider carrying out this practise but I have 2 males which I think would benefit from having their combs reduced... I will take them to the vet to have the operation carried out but the vet didnt really know of the op so I would be really gratefull if someone could tell me where to cut and how much to take off...looking forward to some replies...cheers
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Post by khrday on Feb 20, 2009 0:02:45 GMT
LEGHORN COMBES CAN BECOME A DANGER TO THE BIRDS LIFE AS IF IN THE PULLET BREEDING MALE IT CAN PERTROUD LONGER THAN THE BIRDS BEAK STOPPING IT FROM BEEN ABLE TO GET ANY THING IN ITS MOUTH,YOU WOULD NEED TO SPEAK WITH AND OLD HAND POSSABLE SOME ONE WHO KEEPS GAME BIRDS?? AS IF YOU GO TO LOW BLEEDING WILL BE TO MUCH AND THE BIRD COULD BLEED TO DEATH, SO IF JUST A BIT OF COMMON SENCE IS USED AND START JUST ABOVE THE BEAK MAKING A CRESENT SHAPE OVER THE HEAD SO AS THE BIRD CAN GET HIS HEAD IN A TROUGH OK . IT WILL ALSO HELP WITH HIS FERTILITY AS BIG COMBS ARE PRONE TO FROST BITE OR DAMAGE BY OTHER COCKS
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Post by danhonour on Feb 21, 2009 20:38:29 GMT
I have done very little,so I am no expert.However I understand you want a pair of shears that with crush the tissue.A sharp razor knife will bleed too much.Use a wound powder to stop the bleeding,flour may also work.I understand they bleed less with warm temperatures,so you might want to bring him in the basement for a day or two.Stromberg has a paperback booklet on dubbing that is inexpensive.Game breeders do it all the time. Dan H.
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Post by jazzdrums on Feb 22, 2009 13:06:30 GMT
I have done this to both males and females, where the combs have become so heavy, that their heads sink into their bodies. If you look closely at the comb, you will see a line or crease approx 1" above the head. I use this as a guide, and cut with a sharp scissors just above that line. I run cold water from the tap over the comb for a few minutes before starting the job, as this slows the bleeding. Try and cut as quickly as you can, and then apply pressure for at least five minutes afterwards as this also helps slow bleeding. The head may bleed for up to four hours after the procedure, but will eventually stop. Make sure you supply the bird with plenty of water as it may get dehidrated, and leave in a pen on it's own for a week. I have dubbed a few very large headed birds, and have never lost one yet. The difference it makes to the birds life is remarkable.
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Post by walesman on Feb 22, 2009 15:36:55 GMT
thanks all for the advise...in the end I took two cockerels to the vets and had the procedure done there...I watched and dont think I would like to try it out myself ..well possibly with use of a local anaesthetic....the cockerels were gassed and then local anaethetic injected along the comb ...the vet cut the combs with some clamps and it is true what someone said; that cutting with scissors is better than using a sharp knife as the crushing helps to stop the bleed...the problem then was to control the bleed...we started off with a hot rod thing they use to burn and seal but that wasn't too successfull and so used some powder that they had (cant remember what it is called)...one cockerel (exchequer)bled more and this was difficult to contain...we realised that we had probably cut him too short..but after perservering with powder and by forcibly holding the comb the bleeding ceased...i took then home and kept them somewhere quiet and dark...the next morning they were both crowing but the birds started off the bleed again by scratching their heads..the exchequer bled quite badly and was in a very sorry state so I put him under a red light (for 2 days)and tied his legs together with string such that he could walk but couldnt raise his legs to scratch his head and this worked - I also smothered his comb in cotton wool ....the other cockerel recovered quicker...now 6 days after op they have been returned to their breeding pens and are back to normal....I felt that these two birds needed their combs reducing because they were having problems in carrying such weight on their heads plus one had an infection where the comb was rubbing on its head....I would do this procedure again if necessary but not sure if i would carry it out without the use of an anaesthetic
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Post by madmax on May 23, 2010 17:05:17 GMT
the best way to dub a cockerel is to get 2 ice packs and cover the cockerels comb wait for at least 10 mins and cut along off the line of the comb. then smear alot of vaseline on the cut and continue putting on vaseline for a week. do the same with the waffles when u r cutting it. remember to keep the cockerel seperate from the others for a while until he is strong.
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